I wear an 8.5 street size and bought these in an 8 as an upgrade on the rock+ shoes. originally they gave me more precision and i could stand on little edges and chips but they have since gone quite soft and lost downturn. now they are good for smearing on grit and volumes in gym, but i need some stiffer shoes so i don’t break my toes on little edges. also they lost their shape and downturn very quickly.
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